Our battle with PayPal customer support is continuing. But it's taken a bit of a step backwards; as their idiot support person has jumped the gun, and blocked our account... So we're trying to get hold of a supervisor to review our account again, and get this ironed out.

There is no reason for them to not to business with PaidVerts. We comply with their terms and conditions to the letter. PayPal can only be used for purchasing advertising, and cashing out user ad click earnings. There's nothing wrong with that.
And they serve the needs of thousands of Paid To Click websites all over the world. And we have gone to great lengths to ensure that PayPal cannot be abused - via deposit limits, limited permissions, randomly assigned ads, with randomly assigned values. So PayPals generic reply of unacceptable risk for them is just an excuse to not understand things properly.

So that's the main issue today; and at the same time as that, we're looking for alternatives to PayPal. Try and fast track direct credit card processing, Payza and all the other options. But losing PayPal would be a real setback to our growth. We won't lose any money specifically; but PayPal is the most widely used payment processor out there; if we can't accept it, or even permit it just for cashouts. That's going to make life difficult for new users.

Most annoying! Things are going utterly perfectly, and now some dumbass support staffer is throwing an unnecessary spanner in the works.
Jo

To tune you in... here is the latest message we've sent to PayPal:

1) PaidVerts is a “Paid To Click” business.
Exactly the same as NeoBux, Clixsense and a thousand others, all of whom accept PayPal.

PRODUCT / SERVICE:
Advertisers can purchase guaranteed communication with our users. For just 2cents per user, advertisers will get users to type out three selling points about their product / business (in captcha form). And after doing that the user then proceeds to the advertisers website for 30seconds. At which point the user can collect their micro-payment for viewing that advertisement.

i) Ads are issued at random, between our 30,000+ users. There is no way to launder money via this process. And the values assigned to individual ads are also random.
ii) Advertisers can only purchase advertising using PayPal. They cannot fund any account balance, transfer money to others, or anything like that. We are 100% compliant with anti-money laundering practices.
iii) We impose purchase limits on user accounts, to prevent fraud. New users may only purchase $11/week worth of ads for their first 2 weeks. Followed by $33/week worth of ads for the next 10weeks, and finally the limit increases to the maximum of $125/week thereafter. This protects PayPal, and it protects us.
iv) We have incredible transparency / logs for each ad campaign purchased, check out the memo line of every single transaction made to our account. It provides a public link to the details the campaign purchased, and even shows you every single click we’ve delivered, along with a time stamp, username and other information.


USERS:
Users can signup at our website for free. No purchase required!
They accumulate “Bonus Ad Points” which are required to receive paid ads, via first activating their account (free), and then via viewing up to 8 “BAP ADS” daily (free!), which are basically free ads; where the user is rewarded with bonus points (not real money).... Users who accumulate the most Bonus Points, will then receive the highest value paid ads, eg. They’ll earn slightly more per ad view than users with less Bonus Ad Points. This is how we ensure our traffic is both active + valuable. And give advertisers the best value for money.

Users then receive paid advertisements daily, depending upon availability.
They receive cash for those ads that they view, and as they accumulate sufficient funds for cashout, they can withdraw that money to their PayPal account.

BUSINESS MODEL / SUSTAINABILITY:
We deliver paid ads to users from $0.0005+ per visit.
We need to maintain an average payment of $0.02/visit or less, in order for the business to be profitable.

However, between our BAP ADS (free ads users view, for no reward), and a mix of very low value ads, and some high value ads, we’re able to maintain our averages. Whilst giving the users a very good experience with some users receiving ads over $1 for just one click.... Via randomly assigning values to certain ads that are higher than $0.02 per visit.
eg. Look at our website statistics right now: http://paidverts.com/member/system_statistics.html

Bulk Ads Delivered: 7082157
Total Value: $75,945.88
Average Per Click Value: $0.0107

This is just under a 50% rate of profitability for the business at present. And we’re able to deliver some super high value ads to users; which are balanced out via thousands of tiny tiny value ads; which are users are “encouraged” to view; so that they don’t consume their Bonus Points (that they had to view ads to earn) in vain.

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As mentioned above, this is a Paid To Click business.
PayPal serves thousands of these businesses all over the world;
http://www.neobux.com & http://www.clixsense.com are the two biggest.
So there is no reason to discriminate against our business. As it’s fundamentally no different. The only thing we do different (better) is mix things up! Rather than paying a flat rate of $0.01 per ad view, which no valuable user will be interested in. We mix things up; giving some low value, and other high value ads. That way we get the best of both worlds, for no additional cost.
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Proposed Solutions:

1) Ideally we’d like unrestricted access to all of PayPals features, particularly your Bulk Pay system. As we cannot pay thousands of users their earnings manually. That’s impossible. We will be turning over millions of dollars this year. And PayPal will make a fortune in transaction fees.

2) If “buying ads” is deemed too much of a risk for you, we can disable that option. And use PayPal only as a method for users to cashout their ad click earnings. This is not ideal, but it will serve as a bare minimum... We will fund our PayPal account via bank wire; and then distribute the funds to our thousands of users.

3) Mitigate PayPals risk via a Rolling Reserve. PayPal can block 10-50% of every single ad purchase our account receives. And hold that money for 3-6months, to guarantee against chargebacks. That way we have full use of our account, and you have a huge reserve to protect yourselves.

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If you have any further questions, please get in contact with me! It is very annoying that you have just closed out account without even consulting us, or giving us advice on how we can better work together.

Our company is currently exploding in size. We will become one of your top 1% of users by the end of the year I’m sure. Please help us get there!
Jo

Fgold escreveu:

BonsPTC's escreveu:

kaiokyle escreveu:Alguem recebeu,o pagamento, essa semana? Eu até agora nada...   

Não recebeste um email sobre esse assunto?
Vou re-lembrar

"2) In general please allow 1-7days for cashouts.
Additionally, there are presently 845 PayPal cashouts pending. We have all
the money in the account to pay these, don't worry about that. However we
are presently in communication with PayPal with regards to upgrading our
account. To both permit credit card deposits at PaidVerts, and also to
enable their "Mass Payment" feature; which they have a strange policy of
withholding from verified business users. And forcing you to further upgrade
your account. Which is a bit silly, but we're going through the motions at
the moment. And the instant they give us the go ahead there, the programmers
should have the mass payment code ready; and we'll fire out all the pending
cashouts in one go. (As there's just too many to try and pay manually)"

Estão dependentes do PayPal para instalar o pagamento em massa. Quando for introduzido, todos os pagamentos pendentes vão ser pagos. Esperamos que seja esta semana ainda, se o PayPal não "engonhar" no processo.

Mas os outros processadores estão a dar

Assim que tiverem uma business account verificada podem usar a funcionalidade de pagamentos em massa e para ter essa conta verificada é um processo simples e rápido desde que se cumpra os requisitos. É normal os scammers culparem o paypal pelos atrasos nos pagamentos mas geralmente são eles que não sabem usar o paypal de forma legal e acabam ficando com a conta suspensa...

É assim, se não acreditas no projecto ficas fora e pronto, tudo certo, agora se tás no projecto e constantemente vens aqui dar uma piadinha sobre este PTC que paga mais que qualquer outro que anda por ai, então não vejo a vantagem disso... Certo??

Atenção não estou a "ralhar" contigo, tou simplesmente a chamar-te a atenção para o bom funcionamente deste tópico   

Continuação de bons ganhos para todos, vamos esperar que esta situação do Paypal volte ao normal o quanto antes, tudo uma questão de tempo

Cumps

sturgis escreveu:

Fgold escreveu:

BonsPTC's escreveu:

Não recebeste um email sobre esse assunto?
Vou re-lembrar

"2) In general please allow 1-7days for cashouts.
Additionally, there are presently 845 PayPal cashouts pending. We have all
the money in the account to pay these, don't worry about that. However we
are presently in communication with PayPal with regards to upgrading our
account. To both permit credit card deposits at PaidVerts, and also to
enable their "Mass Payment" feature; which they have a strange policy of
withholding from verified business users. And forcing you to further upgrade
your account. Which is a bit silly, but we're going through the motions at
the moment. And the instant they give us the go ahead there, the programmers
should have the mass payment code ready; and we'll fire out all the pending
cashouts in one go. (As there's just too many to try and pay manually)"

Estão dependentes do PayPal para instalar o pagamento em massa. Quando for introduzido, todos os pagamentos pendentes vão ser pagos. Esperamos que seja esta semana ainda, se o PayPal não "engonhar" no processo.

Mas os outros processadores estão a dar

Assim que tiverem uma business account verificada podem usar a funcionalidade de pagamentos em massa e para ter essa conta verificada é um processo simples e rápido desde que se cumpra os requisitos. É normal os scammers culparem o paypal pelos atrasos nos pagamentos mas geralmente são eles que não sabem usar o paypal de forma legal e acabam ficando com a conta suspensa...

Na minha humilde opinião, não adianta chamar "Scammer" ao Jo.

É assim, se não acreditas no projecto ficas fora e pronto, tudo certo, agora se tás no projecto e constantemente vens aqui dar uma piadinha sobre este PTC que paga mais que qualquer outro que anda por ai, então não vejo a vantagem disso... Certo??

Atenção não estou a "ralhar" contigo, tou simplesmente a chamar-te a atenção para o bom funcionamente deste tópico   

Continuação de bons ganhos para todos, vamos esperar que esta situação do Paypal volte ao normal o quanto antes, tudo uma questão de tempo

Cumps

We are in the process of having PayPal re-evaluate our account. It's gone from "deleted" to just "limited" again. So that's progress, kinda! I've told Carlos to request that they call him. So he can re-iterate everything in the message we've already sent via support ticket. As there's really nothing more to say than that.

But this is a waiting game...
We cannot do anything one way or another until we know what's happening with PayPal. Once we get a clear cut answer; we'll move forwards and figure out what to do with PayPal balances and what not.

We'll be installing Neteller shortly (next week probably). Plus we've already sent off at least one application to a direct credit card processor. So we're pursuing other avenues; but PayPal would be the easiest, and perhaps best possible outcome.

So please just be patient for another 24-48hours. And we'll find out what's going to happen! And then we'll notify you of our plan of action. Either way, we'll move forwards. That's not in question; it's just a matter of which path we take!
Jo

BonsPTC's escreveu:Deves ter um conceito de scammer diferente do meu  . Para mim um scammer é aquele que não paga.

A Paidverts está a pagar por egopay, solidtrustpay, perfectmoney, western union e bank wire dentro dos 7 dias úteis.
Apenas não está a cumprir com os 7 dias úteis com o PayPal. E não está a cumprir porque o Jo queria instalar a opção de pagamento em massa e sem razão aparente tiveram a conta bloqueada.

Se o PayPal aceita/aceitou a PaidVerts é porque seguia os termos do PayPal. Agora já não está dentro dos termos? Já não é a 1ª vez nem vai ser a última fez que o PayPal faz isto a um negócio. Primeiro aceitam (e se aceitam é porque segue os termos deles, senão nem sequer aceitavam), depois passado algum tempo e sem avisar sequer, bloqueiam a conta. Não são muito profissionais, mas enfim…

Ele não está a ganhar tempo nenhum. Eles têm dinheiro na conta PayPal suficiente para pagar os pagamentos pendentes. Só não estão a pagar porque tiveram conta bloqueada. O admin já contactou a PayPal, agora resta esperar da parte do PayPal se sim ou sopas.